Dewey Destin’s coming to Navarre as well.

[bjrichus]

Dewey Destin’s, the popular seafood restaurant named after its owner, will open its third location in Navarre... Where cowboys was!

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/business/20 ... -locations

Opening next year! All assuming Santa Rosa or the huge tap fees doesn't kill it before its born.

[Pete]

Opening next year! All assuming Santa Rosa or the huge tap fees doesn't kill it before its born.

Have to recheck details - but awhile ago (year+?) the Government Affairs Committee of the Navarre Beach Area Chamber of Commerce studied Holley-Navarre Water & Sewer System tap fees in comparison to Pace, Gulf Breeze and other water systems in area - they were comparable.

[bjrichus]

Opening next year! All assuming Santa Rosa or the huge tap fees doesn't kill it before its born.

Have to recheck details - but awhile ago (year+?) the Government Affairs Committee of the Navarre Beach Area Chamber of Commerce studied Holley-Navarre Water & Sewer System tap fees in comparison to Pace, Gulf Breeze and other water systems in area - they were comparable.

You are ignoring the need for long negotiations to get the tap fees DOWN to something manageable from the initial level asked for... HN Water seen to regard these things as a negotiation ploy to screw unwary business owners and often end up just scaring them away...

I note from history that every time CCoN discusses why there are relatively few restaurants in the area and there is a debate about tap fees, while some of the larger franchisers also say that Navarre is "too small" a market, most would-be local franchise owners point to one reason they won't open up in Navarre... its tap fees.

And then there is high and ever increasing rents...

Talk about screwing the pooch!

Do you have a link to that report by the way? No?

[Pete]

I write the guy who did the report. See if he has a copy?

[bjrichus]

I write the guy who did the report. See if he has a copy?

Thanks.

Be interesting to see how they got the numbers as its 100% the opposite of the empirical reports.

[Pete]

Got it - it appears that the Chamber committee, at that time, was specifically looking into why restaurants and businesses were going to Pace and not as much to Navarre - so this is a comparison of fees for just those two water systems.
Suppose if really interested, could call Escambia and Oklaloosa county water systems (as well as say Gulf Breeze and Midway water systems) and get their tap fees?

This was copy/paste from an excel spreadsheet so the formatting below is hard to follow but the last three numbers in each line are the sewer/water/total tap fees in dollars:

It showed that Navarre was less than Pace - so not the reason for restaurants going to Pace and not Navarre?
Keep in mind that there are restaurant properties that have already paid the tap fees - e.g. the Guglielmo's/Reggie's location that is again now empty (three restaurants have not survived there?)
And HNWS also now lets the new businesses pay the tap fee over up to three years.
Also, there are wider Water Management District rules as to how much the individual water/sewer systems have to charge - and if they do not get capital improvement/expansion money from tap fees, then it could result in much higher "usage" rates for all users? The question being - who should pay the costs for increased capacity caused by new businesses? Existing users? vs. those causing the increased demand?

Of side interest - got an info flyer from Santa Rosa Economic Development with data analysis from the Neilson Company for the area "within 20-minutes travel time" from the Hwy 87/98 intersection (roughly "greater" Navarre?):
-- 2016 population estimate = 62,701, and for that population and area, their analysis showed a "gap" (projected demand from that population exceed existing supply) in businesses for Motor Vehicles and parts, General merchandise, apparel, furniture, etc., Building materials, Garden Equipment, Health & Personal Care, and Gasoline stations.
But the Neilson analysis showed a "surplus" (projected demand for that population less than existing supply) for Food and beverage stores, Food service and drinking places???
If so - maybe the problem is the mix/diversity (or lack thereof) of food service places, the quality thereof, or???

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Tap Review HNWS and Pace Water System

Residential

HNWS
Residences Flow Unit Factor REU Sewer Water Total
(a) Single or multiple family per dwelling unit
1 Bedroom with 750 sq. ft. or less of building area 100 1 0.333 0.33 1,400.00 750.00 2,150.00
2 Bedrooms with 751-1200 sq. ft. of building area 200 1 0.667 0.67 2,800.00 1,500.00 4,300.00
3 Bedrooms with 1201-2250 sq. ft. of building area 300 1 1.000 1.00 4,200.00 2,250.00 6,450.00
4 Bedrooms with 2251-3300 sq. ft. of building area 400 1 1.333 1.33 5,600.00 3,000.00 8,600.00
For each additional bedroom or each additional 750 square feet of building area or fraction thereof in a dwelling unit, system
sizing shall be increased by 100 gallons per dwelling unit
(b) Other per occupant 50 1 0.167 0.17 700.00 375.00 1,075.00

PWC
Residences Flow Unit Factor REU Sewer Water Total
(a) Single or multiple family per dwelling unit
1 Bedroom with 750 sq. ft. or less of building area 300 1 1.000 1.00 4,000.00 1,600.00 5,600.00
2 Bedrooms with 751-1200 sq. ft. of building area 300 1 1.000 1.00 4,000.00 1,600.00 5,600.00
3 Bedrooms with 1201-2250 sq. ft. of building area 300 1 1.000 1.00 4,000.00 1,600.00 5,600.00
4 Bedrooms with 2251-3300 sq. ft. of building area 300 1 1.000 1.00 4,000.00 1,600.00 5,600.00

HNWS Commercial Restaurant Flow Seats Factor ERU Sewer Water Total

(c) Restaurant using single service articles only and operating
16 hours or less per day per seat 20 150 0.067 10.00 42,000.00 22,500.00 64,500.00

PWS Commercial Restaurant

(c) Restaurant using single service articles only and operating
16 hours or less 0 150 0.100 15.00 60,000.00 24,000.00 84,000.00

HNWS Bowling Alley Flow Lanes Factor ERU Sewer Water Total

Bowling Alley bathroom waste only per lane 50 24 0.167 4.00 16,800.00 9,000.00 25,800.00

PWS Bowling Alley

Bowling Alley per lane 0 24 0.333 7.99 31,968.00 12,787.20 44,755.20

HNWS Beauty Shop/Barber Flow Chair Factor ERU Sewer Water Total

Barber & beauty shops per service chair 75 5 0.250 1.25 5,250.00 2,812.50 8,062.50

PWS Beauty Shop/Barber

Barber & beauty shops per Operator Station 0 5 0.300 1.50 6,000.00 2,400.00 8,400.00

HNWS Overnight Trailer Park Flow Spaces Factor ERU Sewer Water Total

(b) Recreational vehicle space for overnight stay, with water 75 20 0.250 5.00 21,000.00 11,250.00 32,250.00
and sewer hookup per vehicle space

PWS Overnight Trailer Park

(b) Recreational vehicle space for overnight stay, with water 0 20 0.333 6.66 26,640.00 10,656.00 37,296.00
and sewer hookup per vehicle space

[Linda]

Love Navarre and vacationed there many times before we moved back to our home state of Florida. One thing I see now as a barrier to business/restaurants is there is only 87 and 98 in and out of Navarre for "locals" to drive to a restaurant. And when you basically have the same type of restaurants closer - you don't go to Navarre.

The vacation and snow bird crowds can't bring enough business to keep a restaurant thriving - note Roccos and all the previous businesses in that location.

Keep Navarre quaint. It doesn't need to be and can't be another Destin. Take a glance over to the 30A towns and keep it small. A few zoning laws would take down some of the large advertising and spruce up the place.

Just a thought. Small and quaint can have a better draw than another restaurant. Unique shopping - farmers market and artisans.

Bringing a restaurant from another location that does well does not guarantee a winning market in Navarre.

Keep Navarre quaint.

[AngelGirl]

"Quaint" does have its charms!

[Kayak Dave]

Thanks Pete. Appreciate all your time it took to put post together.
Good to see some "facts" vs. "common knowledge". Very interesting!

[BeachTeach]

Maybe since the previous water board president, and his brother, are now no longer associated with the water board - that things will begin moving forward for Navarre. It is no secret to locals that tap fee's were the reason for detouring businesses, especially eating establishments, from coming to Navarre. We experienced this first hand.

[PensacolaKid]

Am assuming Dewey Destin's is still a go? Has anyone heard any scuttlebutt on what is or might be transpiring with the property that used to house Rocco's, Cocodries, Beach Monkey, The Palm, The Fish House, Liolio's?

[bjrichus]

Am assuming Dewey Destin's is still a go? Has anyone heard any scuttlebutt on what is or might be transpiring with the property that used to house Rocco's, Cocodries, Beach Monkey, The Palm, The Fish House, Liolio's?

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We don't have a Smilie for that!!!!!

[jpigott73]

Any update on Dewey Destin's?

[bjrichus]

Any update on Dewey Destin's?

Who knows at this point.

Of more importance is that it looks like TC's Front Porch are taking over the old Rocco's location on the island and will have a different (mostly seafood) theme to it when they open.

[PensacolaKid]

I will not patronize it unless I find out the owners daughter is no longer a part of the organization OR, she is not working there any longer OR if the food has not improved. Gave them too many shots and I lost every time. I do not believe it will make it in that location. It would take a Dewey Destin's or Margaritaville type of concept.